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For some time the idea of "tribe rings" has been out there, discussed on and off by people in search of finding other ways to connect interests together. The ideas of a tribe ring is provides tribe moderators a way to explicitly create links to other tribes around a common set of interests. You can then imagine, say, a tribe about camping linking up with tribes about camping in Northern California, tribes about snow camping, or tribes about gourmet camp cooking. The obvious benefits here are
1) a self-maintaining taxonomy of tribes would begin to emerge and
2) cross over tribes (like the gourmet camp cooking tribe) could be linked with both a cooking tribe ring as well as a camping tribe ring, allowing for more fluid navigation through a set of interests.
However, there is another more subtle (and perhaps more difficult to implement) application of this idea if "membership" within a ring is taken into account. This idea stems from a conversation I had with Korin this past weekend, as well as an experience that Patti had at a conference. In fact, the 2 events that happened were on absolute opposite ends of the social spectrum, but could easily be services by a more secure notion of tribe rings.
First, Korin and I were talking about how useful an application like tribe.net could be to a large, project-based company like Accenture or IBM. If members are employees and tribes are projects, then right off the bat you have a great way of keeping current and historical information about what projects you have worked on, discussions about those projects, and how you are related to another member in case you are looking to staff a project and would like to get an referrals through your network for individuals with particular skills. Now Accenture would not be one bit excited about the idea that all of their projects would be available online for anyone to see, and we have in place the notion of private tribes to account for special interest groups that don't want to be seen by all who join the system. But imagine if an entire tribe ring was private, not just the tribe, allowing members of the tribes in the ring to freely browse through the tribes that make up the ring. Unless you were in a tribe in the ring, you would not be able to see anything in the ring, nor would you be able to see on the profiles of those in the ring any of the stuff that pertains to the ring.
This last point is the segue into Patti's weekend experience. It is probably not a secret that tribe has a pretty big penetration into the BDSM world (huh huh). It doesn't take a whole lot of tribe-surfing to find something that you may not want to see, if that isn't your cup of tea. This past weekend, Patti ran into someone who is into the BDSM scene and, while chatting about tribe had 2 other people (also BDSM types) at the same time overhear and say in amazement "you work at tribe?!"
So, to be in a room of individuals who share a common (albeit *extremely* non-mainstream) interest and to have many in the room know of tribe and be fans speaks to the usefulness of the site to join those with common interests together. However, the very interest itself limits tribe in a couple of critical ways. First, the usefulness of the site for some people is hindered. Is tribe where I will put on my BDSM face, or is tribe where I want to put forward my less kinky self and try to network with the "normal" people. And for the "normal" people, is tribe a place where I really don't belong? Second, the marketability of the site is impacted because with such interests so relatively easy to uncover, even with the mature checks in place, there are certain advertising and marketing partners that simply cannot have anything to do with us.
But with the "private tribe ring" idea in place, all of this can be addressed in a way that allows those into the scene to be able to freely mingle without necessarily freaking out those that are not in the scene. Rings could even be set up as securely gated communities, or as open door communities - but with only one door. In this way, we control entry into the ring at one point (and charge admission at the door?) and if the community is so inclined, people may wander around and look all they want. Or, in the Accenture use case, we would simply prohibit anyone entry who is not in a tribe in the ring. Thus, it becomes more a question of granting tribe membership that would allow access, and this is an area that we need to work on anyway.
1) a self-maintaining taxonomy of tribes would begin to emerge and
2) cross over tribes (like the gourmet camp cooking tribe) could be linked with both a cooking tribe ring as well as a camping tribe ring, allowing for more fluid navigation through a set of interests.
However, there is another more subtle (and perhaps more difficult to implement) application of this idea if "membership" within a ring is taken into account. This idea stems from a conversation I had with Korin this past weekend, as well as an experience that Patti had at a conference. In fact, the 2 events that happened were on absolute opposite ends of the social spectrum, but could easily be services by a more secure notion of tribe rings.
First, Korin and I were talking about how useful an application like tribe.net could be to a large, project-based company like Accenture or IBM. If members are employees and tribes are projects, then right off the bat you have a great way of keeping current and historical information about what projects you have worked on, discussions about those projects, and how you are related to another member in case you are looking to staff a project and would like to get an referrals through your network for individuals with particular skills. Now Accenture would not be one bit excited about the idea that all of their projects would be available online for anyone to see, and we have in place the notion of private tribes to account for special interest groups that don't want to be seen by all who join the system. But imagine if an entire tribe ring was private, not just the tribe, allowing members of the tribes in the ring to freely browse through the tribes that make up the ring. Unless you were in a tribe in the ring, you would not be able to see anything in the ring, nor would you be able to see on the profiles of those in the ring any of the stuff that pertains to the ring.
This last point is the segue into Patti's weekend experience. It is probably not a secret that tribe has a pretty big penetration into the BDSM world (huh huh). It doesn't take a whole lot of tribe-surfing to find something that you may not want to see, if that isn't your cup of tea. This past weekend, Patti ran into someone who is into the BDSM scene and, while chatting about tribe had 2 other people (also BDSM types) at the same time overhear and say in amazement "you work at tribe?!"
So, to be in a room of individuals who share a common (albeit *extremely* non-mainstream) interest and to have many in the room know of tribe and be fans speaks to the usefulness of the site to join those with common interests together. However, the very interest itself limits tribe in a couple of critical ways. First, the usefulness of the site for some people is hindered. Is tribe where I will put on my BDSM face, or is tribe where I want to put forward my less kinky self and try to network with the "normal" people. And for the "normal" people, is tribe a place where I really don't belong? Second, the marketability of the site is impacted because with such interests so relatively easy to uncover, even with the mature checks in place, there are certain advertising and marketing partners that simply cannot have anything to do with us.
But with the "private tribe ring" idea in place, all of this can be addressed in a way that allows those into the scene to be able to freely mingle without necessarily freaking out those that are not in the scene. Rings could even be set up as securely gated communities, or as open door communities - but with only one door. In this way, we control entry into the ring at one point (and charge admission at the door?) and if the community is so inclined, people may wander around and look all they want. Or, in the Accenture use case, we would simply prohibit anyone entry who is not in a tribe in the ring. Thus, it becomes more a question of granting tribe membership that would allow access, and this is an area that we need to work on anyway.
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Not to reply to my own post, but it's my tribe!
One other feature that is interesting with this idea is the idea of the identities of the members of the tribe ring, and the tricky aspect of online social networking identities in general. The Accenture tribe ring and BDSM tribe ring provide two excellent examples, if you happen to be into both! This brings up exactly the concern that brings about the need for tribe rings in the first place, but focuses it on the level of the individual.
My guess is, anyone who is into BDSM does not want their Accenture coworkers to konw it. At least, that was the impression I got in 4 years of working there. Now consider the idea of membership in a tribe ring being an attribute of an individual's profile. So person A is in tribe ring 1 and tribe ring 2. What if these memberships represented not only a mapping of the member to the ring, but also grouping of their own content, such as their pictures. You could then imagine a professional face and a kinky face. People in the tribe ring would see your pictures that are particular to that tribe ring, outsiders would see only your outside pictures. What happens on the playa stays on the playa, or at least stays inside the Burning Man tribe ring.
Then, if you really want to get crazy, you can also imagine your session being in a particular "mode" when you log in, based on the email address you use to log in. You can always see all your friends, but you could perhaps change your avatar based on your current persona. -
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This idea has a lot of potential. But, Yahoo Groups probably already provides a vehicle for Accenture, or, more likely, a smaller organization to save it's project tracking information. In any case, for this to be really useful, you have to go back to my idea of saving files, like documents and spreadsheets in the tribe.
The private rings seems extremely necessary to appeal to a wide group of people. I agree that the ease of happening on to mature content seriously impacts the commercial appeal of Tribe.
BTW. I had trouble getting into Tribe after the new release. I tried it last night at home and it said my password was wrong. I got a new password E-mailed to me, and tried that one, but I could not get in. It still thought my password was wrong. When I got to the office today, I tried to login using the new password I was sent, and it worked fine. So, I am in good shape, but others might have a problem. FYI. -
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This password issue has definitely cropped up.
Some of the reports were because some returning members didn't realize that they were logged in -- the main indication that you are is that the text links in the upper right corner of your screen appear.
I don't think that accounts for the entire problem, though.
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Hey dad. Was the behavior that you saw that you would try to log in using the little login box at the top of the "city picker" page (the one with the huge logo on it) and then get bounced to the other login page? I think I have seen this on my development environment before, but not yet in production...
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